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Scott Greenfield has a post up that has had me thinking all day, even when I’m ostensibly working on something else. And I knew I wanted to try to blog today — I’ve been upset at myself for letting my blog go untended for too long — so here we are.

It’s not that I didn’t try to look elsewhere. I checked Defending People, but there was nothing new there — besides, I’ve learned Mark is frequently so far over my head that there’s probably nothing intelligent I could ever do by trying to riff off one of his posts. [1]Not to imply that Scott isn’t an intellectual, or anything! I just seem to have a tougher time following Mark sometimes, which I have to attribute to me. So, anyway….

Gideon was no help, either. Besides, I think Gid’s mad at me. As far as I can tell, he hasn’t come back to California since running into me at a seminar the last time he did come out here.

And Gamso. He was busy reading. Or writing about reading The True American: Murder and Mercy in Texas, to be more exact.

So then I distract myself by listening to music and….

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it’s evolution
Well, you know>
We all want to change the world

But when you talk about destruction
Don’t you know that you can count me out

So here we are. 

Scott has been kind to me for quite some time. He doesn’t really smack me around as much as I might deserve him smacking me around. For my part, I’ve tried to pay better attention, because — Gid likes to tease, but — in some ways I’ve taken to looking to Scott as the mentor I haven’t been able to find in my own locale. [2]Despite my age, I’m actually something of a “young” lawyer, having started my criminal law internship around 2004, and not being sworn in as an attorney until 2007. That’s why I occasionally pee on the carpet. I’m just a pup.

And so what I’ve been thinking about all day is something Scott blogged this morning:

I find it troubling when lawyers begin generically referring to police as “thugs,” or what they do as “tyranny,” as it feeds into the mindset of anger and violence. I understand the sense of frustration and hopelessness, but invoking violence and hatred as a solution makes you as bad as the worst cop.  The idea is to be better, not just as bad in the opposite direction.

I’m pretty sure I count as one of those lawyers, although I have rather deliberately, because this isn’t the first time Scott has said something like this, tried to tone things down a little. [3]I did mention that I’ve taken to looking to him as a bit of a mentor, didn’t I? What kind of protégé — or, to use what seems to be the modern term, “mentee” — would I be if I didn’t try to listen? In fact, I think one reason — there were several, and this is definitely not the leading reason — that I haven’t felt the drive to write as much lately is because I’ve been trying to reassess my approach a bit.

There is one thing I resist about what Scott wrote, and it makes it hard for me to just follow along and adopt the exact point of view that he holds. While I am coming to the conclusion that “invoking violence and hatred” is wrong, because it is not “a solution,” I don’t think it “makes you as bad as the worst cop.”

I wasn’t around in the last half of the 1700’s, and some may think what I’m about to say is a stretch. I don’t know: it might be.

But I think that the behavior of the police today is just a bit too reminiscent of what was happening prior to the Revolution. And magistrates? WTF?! The reality of searches, and seizures, today is worse even than when there were “general warrants,” which, as I understand it, was quite possibly the number one reason given for the Revolution. [4]Sure, “taxation without representation” was a big issue. But what really riled the population were the searches meant to enforce taxation.

As the late Andrew Taslitz noted:

Reasonable search and seizure in colonial America closely approximated whatever the searcher thought reasonable. [5]Andrew E. Taslitz, Reconstructing the Fourth Amendment: A History of Search & Seizure, 1789-1868, p. 294, left column, note 8 (2006).

Sound familiar?

And the number of citizens murdered by cops? Or even something like “the number of citizens per thousand murdered by cops”? I’d bet some money that today’s numbers far exceed anything colonial America experienced.

Let’s not even talk about the dogs.

Call me an idiot. I’m not concerned about that. Too many police officers are thugs. Too much of what happens — particularly in poor neighborhoods populated by non-white people — is tyranny. That is, if by “thug,” we accept the dictionary definition. That is, if by “tyranny,” we accept the dictionary definition.

I think I’ve written about this before — and I think I remember Scott writing similarly — but when the cops are looking for someone, or something, or just have a hunch that there might be a someone, or something, to find, they too often simply go door-to-door, invading homes until they find something that will make Unknowing America believe they are genius investigators.

In Fresno, there’s a robbery somewhere. The robber is a black guy. That’s pretty much the only description the cops really have. Maybe — maybe — they have a little more: he’s a black guy with black hair. Or, okay, to be more fair, maybe they find out that he’s a “black male, approximately 20 years old.”

So they essentially cordon off an entire area in a black neighborhood, and start searching. By stopping, detaining, searching, and possibly subjecting to an in-field show-up, every black male, regardless of age, possibly entering numerous households in the process, they eventually actually locate the guy.

Geniuses! Heroes!

The news doesn’t report all the dozens, or more, other people whose constitutional rights were violated in the process.

To those unfamiliar with the methods used by police to make absolutely certain that no possible criminal gets away, the story … might seem incredible.  There is nothing incredible about it.  Indeed, it’s so ordinary as to evoke little more than a passing “tsk” from the casual reader.

And something — something — needs to be done about it.

But by the time white America realizes that we are not immune, as the cops become more committed to this culture of violation and violence, it will be too late. Already it’s not really right to refer to them as “cops” anymore: they are urban soldiers. Completely militarized, armed with fucking tanks, urban soldiers.

At their most peaceful, they remind us during protests that no one pays attention to, that they are there, watching us, and that our words mean nothing compared with their physical powers.

FSO Guarding Jail
Fresno County Sheriff’s Department “guarding” jail during a peaceful protest, as if anyone wanted in


You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We’d all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We’re all doing what we can

While I disagree with Scott in the way just stated — and, by the way, I also disagree that the cops aren’t bringing this on themselves; they absolutely have, and they absolutely are — yet I have to agree that a few people here and there killing cops is not the solution. I don’t know what the solution actually is, but a few people here and there killing cops isn’t it.

Despite what I’ve said in the past, that statement should also not be taken to mean that I think that we need more people everywhere killing cops. See? Scott has impact.

As I said, I don’t know what the solution is. It’s not the 1700s anymore.

And there probably never will be another chance to have what happened then happen again.

If you want to know what I think, I think America, before it dies, will inevitably become a full-on locked-down fascist police state. I think it’s as inevitable as it was that the democratic republic that was 1930s-Germany led to what followed, and for many of the same reasons.

I know. Godwin’s Law. We’re not allowed to learn from the past.

But to quote the Borg,

Resistance is futile.

And “in the first half of the nineteenth century,” police methods looked a whole lot like they look today. Read the opening chapter of Ingo Müller’s 1987 classic Hitler’s Justice: The Courts of the Third Reich — translated into English in 1991 — and you’ll see. And just as today some of the Onion‘s stories have become harder to distinguish from the truth, we have this, from the satirical tale called, “Master Flea.”

When reminded that, after all, a crime had to have been committed for there to be a criminal, Knarrpanti opined that once the criminal was identified, it was a simple matter to find out what his crime had been. Only a superficial and careless judge would…not be able to slip into the inquest some small lapse or other on the defendant’s part that would justify the arrest. [6]Ingo Müller, Hitler’s Justice: The Courts of the Third Reich, p. 3-4 (1991) (ellipsis in the original).

So it is today. And the police state and the fascism which followed, I fear, is shaping up to make a resurgence in a different democratic republic today.


You say you’ll change the constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it’s the institution
Well, you know
You’d better free your mind instead

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain’t going to make it with anyone anyhow

Still…we cannot talk about — we should not think about — a few people here and there killing cops. Nor, as I said, is the solution to have more people everywhere killing cops.

What I said somewhat sarcastically in another post — an irate post — the other day is true: #NotAllCops. 

While there is too much — far, far, far too much — that is wrong with modern professional policing, the truth is that it’s #NotAllCops. Sure, maybe #AllCops are too quick to “cop” an attitude with a citizen who doesn’t immediately submit to them. But #NotAllCops are murderers. #NotAllCops condone murder. But #TooManyCops are, indeed, thugs. And #TooManyPoliceDepartments employ tyranny as a substitute for good police work. Until we recognize this, admit it, and decide to deal with it, the problem can only fester; failure to recognize and admit it keeps us from deciding to deal with it.

To paraphrase an old phrase,

It’s time to call a cop a cop.

But while I do, pretty much completely, disagree with Scott that it’s unfair to talk about thuggery and tyranny as too much a part of the modern police force, and while I don’t have the solution, I also don’t think citizens should be arbitrarily executing officers without due process of law.

Maybe that’s a little weak. I don’t know. I mean, too many cops are proving they don’t believe in due process of law. [7]And when I say that, I’m not just talking about the cops who murder citizens. I’m also talking about the cops who lie on the stand, or fudge the truth, or round up and illegally search people, or stop cars and illegally search them, or….

Perhaps in that regard I can come to agree with Scott that the arbitrary execution of officers, or calling for the arbitrary execution of officers, “makes you as bad as the worst cop.”

But if things don’t change, at some point, there are going to be a helluva lot of people carrying pictures of Chairman Mao.

Update: Turns out, I already had a post named “You Say You Want A Revolution.” That’s what happens when you’ve been blogging for a long time on the same themes: it becomes harder to come up with catchy new titles. So I’ve changed the title of this one to “You Say You Want A Revolution (Redux).” (And now it has an “(Update)” in the title.)



  1. “He [Scott] doesn’t really smack me around as much as I might deserve him smacking me around.”

    I wouldn’t say that to anyone, unless a glutton for punishment or suffering a severe case of lacking self-esteem.
    Other than that, a thoughtful essay. My own take on it is that these problems you and Scott are grappling with are “cyclical”. The pendulum may, and should, swing back the other way before The Revolution commences. Hopefully. I think these psycho-social and emotional cycles run 60-70 years from peak to trough. Not only that, but repetitive cycles may turn like a corkscrew, or strand of DNA, going off in some unknown direction which no one can foresee, except the “soothsayers” who are usually wrong.

    Hopefully, we’re near a trough now, but could be wrong. It may get worse before it gets better, as implied above.
    There are a lot of things at work here, and we have not even touched on socio-economic and financial considerations which play no small part: The 1% owning 90% of the assets, gated communities, money-as-speech being OK with the Supremes, etc. Yesterday, Diane Rehm interviewed Rich Hanauer regarding his recent article in Politico, which has been making waves. The narrow focus was the desirability/efficacy of raising the minimum wage. (He is in favor.)
    However, broader social and financial conditions in Amerika were also tackled, extremely intelligently I thought. He completely and convincingly debunks the “conservative” economic arguments which have been on the ascendant since Ronald RayGun and his band of trickle-down monetarists commandeered the reigns of power in Washington.
    Hopefully, the conservative arguments have played out and started their eventual decline. And don’t you believe for one minute that economic conditions of the people and law enforcement practices are not intertwined.
    Incidentally, Hanauer is a young hi-tech billionaire. He is not hurting; he does not have to believe or say anything. It was an excellent interview, one of Diane’s best.
    Finally, when they change the name of the Police Department to Department of Police Service, you know you’re in trouble. Some of you may know which city I’m talking about? Hint: it’s in CT somewhere. How 1984-ish can you get!?!

    1. Neither a glutton for punishment, nor suffering a severe lack of self-esteem. I have a hard time parsing Scott’s rules for posting sometimes, and it was of that I was largely thinking when I wrote that line.

      I didn’t see the Hanauer article you mention on Politico. If it’s the same one that I read on “topinfopost.com,” then I think you mean Nick Hanauer. I think he got it right.

      As for the pendulum, it’s looking to me like someone built a ratchet into it.

      1. You’re not the only one having a hard time. He’s taken me to the woodshed more than once, and others. So we’re not alone. Some don’t stick around too long. Actually, I think he’s funny as all get-outta-here! Be that as it may, I’m addicted. I think it’s called “initiation-by-fire”? Am sure there’s a name for Scott’s syndrome, but have no idea what it is. Let’s just call it SHG Syndrome. Ha.
        On the other hand, he’s been generous as well in posting some of my comments which perhaps should have been deleted,.. for whatever reasons. I believe Scott is accurate when he says he runs the blawg for his own amusement. He’d make a hellova judge?!? Something on the order of Judge Kopf, as I understand him.
        Nick Hanauer, that’s probably the fellow on the show yesterday. Correct.

  2. In Scott’s post yesterday he quoted that according to the SPLC “a report warning law enforcement about the increasingly hostile anti-government movement, which it estimates has grown from 150 groups in 2008 to nearly 1,100 last year”, which is almost a ten-fold increase in just six years. So assuming that those figures hold, we will again experience another ten-fold increase by 2020, and then another exponential increase in the ensuing six years after that, so that by 2026 we’re talking some really huge numbers.

    Just as the general public has awakened to the rise in tyranny and began creating and joining these so-called “increasingly hostile anti-government movement groups”, police departments will be forced to acknowledge that a problem exists and will have to either confront the public with even more tyranny, or change their business model.

    I thought for sure we were in for a change back in 2008 when as his very first act as our new leader, President Obama condemned the actions of a police officer for arresting an innocent man in his own home. But before anything positive could come about, President Obama was attacked by these very same right wing conservatives who make up the majority of the members in these “increasingly hostile anti-government movement groups”.

    1. [P]olice departments will be forced…to either confront the public with even more tyranny, or change their business model.

      My fear is that the former is more likely.

      I don’t know how we change that.

  3. We have a revolution every four years, a bloodless coup where the regime in power hands over the keys to their opposition and walks away. It’s a remarkable thing. But they’re all the same, you say, and it doesn’t matter which party is in control? True, but that’s a reflection of the body politic. We get the government we deserve.

    People don’t vote. People vote for their self-interest. People vote identitarian issues. People vote fear.

    These would be the same people you would rely upon to stand beside you in a revolution. Do you think they would be willing to give up their life, their fortune, their comfort, their safety? When the time comes that enough people recognize and care enough, change will be possible. Until then, it’s just the “angry young man” syndrome. It would be a very quick and unsuccessful revolution.

    You say you got a real solution
    Well, you know
    We’d all love to see the plan

    The revolution part is easy. It’s how to get the rest of our American brothers and sisters to care enough to make it happen. In 1776, our nation was sufficiently stratified that a handful of wealthy dry goods merchants were trusted enough that the people believed and would follow their lead. It’s unlikely that can be repeated, as the oligarchy of the United States is already in power.

    Maybe a new leader will emerge when we are ready and deserve one who is better than what we have now. When and if that happens, we will have our revolution, and no one need die for it. But without that new leader, there can be no revolution because too few will care, or be willing to take the chance, to make change happen.

    1. No disagreement from me on that, Scottt. As I’m sure you noticed, I said,

      It’s not the 1700s anymore.

      And there probably never will be another chance to have what happened then happen again.

      I’d say you’ve more or less brought me around to your way of thinking in regards to whether or not people should be talking about a bloody revolution.

      The core of my argument here is simply this:

      But #TooManyCops are, indeed, thugs. And #TooManyPoliceDepartments employ tyranny as a substitute for good police work. Until we recognize this, admit it, and decide to deal with it, the problem can only fester; failure to recognize and admit it keeps us from deciding to deal with it.

      My fear is that the problem isn’t going to be fixed. The biggest reason is because the majority fails, and will continue to fail, to see the problem. My feeling is that if the problem isn’t fixed, this nation is doomed.

      1. I appreciate that you’ve come around, but I hope you will see how the use of rhetoric that inflames the crazies can be counterproductive. We can make the necessary points without feeding the misdirected hatred.

    2. > We have a revolution every four years, a bloodless coup where the regime in power hands over the keys to their opposition and walks away.

      I entirely disagree, Scott.

      We have a ritual which LOOKS like the regime in power hands over the keys to the opposition.

      It’s DESIGNED to look that way and it’s very well crafted.

      But, first, note that the vast majority of politicians stay in office. The system has been slowly rigged over 200 years to drastically favor incumbancy.

      Second, note that even if Coke team loses a few seats and Pepsi team gains a few, that the Coke and Pepsi duopoly remains strong. When’s the last time that anything interesting or radical has happened in electoral politics? FDR’s election and his subsequent attempt at court packing, which overthrew the old United States Constitution and replaced it with a new one that is word-for-word identical and yet functions entirely differently.

      Which is to say, we haven’t had a change in government in 80 years.

      Third, note that the majority of power in the government does not lie in the Executive or the Legislature, but in the unelected bureaucracy. Even if 99% of the incumbents were thrown out and Coffee Party politicos were elected in their place, the combination of stare decisis means that almost nothing could change.

      So, Scott, I strongly disagree that we have a bloodless revolution every four years. What we have is a bloodless ritual that’s designed to fool the proles, to make us divert our anger and our outrage into utterly useless activities that don’t remotely subvert the regime but merely legitimize it.

      The tree of liberty is not refreshed by voting.

      1. Your points (as you know) aren’t new, and they do an excellent job of expressing the uphill battle necessary for change and the difficulties that will have to be surmounted. On the other hand, go in an empty room, lock the door, poke yourself in the eye a few times, and tell what they did for the tree of liberty. That’s your revolution.

        And when you come out of that room, what makes you think anything will be better? What makes you think it won’t be worse? It’s easy to hate what we have, as many do. As Animal Farm tried to warn us, change isn’t necessarily for the better.

        Seriously, don’t poke yourself in the eye. It’s a bad idea.

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